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[edit] research cycle

Hello.

  1. Can you elaborate on what a research cycle involve?
  2. I would think that in one such cycle, there should be many different modes of communications (conversations, letters(informal), seminars(semi-formal) research papers(formal reports), (sometimes: monographs, textbook, lecture course,...) ); they should be subjected to different standards.
    • So far the discussions on beta focus on the formal report phase; it seems to me that everything else has been assumed to be discussion and completely free. But there are problems: for example, a lecture course does not fit in either of the two categories.
    • I have some thoughts here. Please tell me if I am mistaken.--Hillgentleman 04:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. Do you plan to invite established schlars to participate in the review process? --Hillgentleman 23:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Research

In my mind, Research is the one interest that separates Wikiversity from the other projects. I know of no large website whose purpose it is to "publish" research. Most of the other academic content, such as encyclopaedic and textbook content can be found elsewhere within Wikimedia; and other possibilities such as tests can be found elsewhere online. This concept of unfinished research being posted out in the open for anybody to contribute is quite unique, and certainly useful. Wikipedia is now regarded as a definitive authority on most factual things, and I certainly refer to it daily. Think now to the day where Wikiversity is classed as the 'publisher' of revolutionary research and the foundation of great discoveries. I believe Wikiversity is an ideal platform for original research, especially that conducted by those who are not at academic institutions, and those who have no other method of letting the rest of the world know what they have found out.

Original research is an absolute must for Wikiversity, and I disagree with anybody who says that simply academic reference and structured lessons is enough for Wikiversity to succeed. The question should not be "shall we allow research", but "what can we do with that research". The research cycle you have mentioned is a good way to look at this. One person comes up with the initial idea for the research, perhaps a few people develop that idea (on Wikiversity or otherwise), a team of people conduct the research (gather the data) and post the results on Wikiversity (where they should be protected from any future edits), and everyone on Wikiversity is able to (or is invited to) analyse those results and draw conclusions.

Surely Wikiversity is the ideal platform for this form of original research, and we should do more than encourage it. I see no disadvantages to hosting research (whether approved by a Wikiversity committee or whatever). If there are, could you point them out? Xenon (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


Glad to know that the discussion is not whether we should host collaborative research, but how we manage those activites. The obvious system would be to subject all completed research to an expert/admin-review process before it is protected and labelled approved. The issues with that are that it does not correct issues until the end process (which could take a while to repeat) and it still subjective on the basis of the expert/admin that reviews it.

Perhaps a better procedure would be that similar to the vandalism/RfD system - simply allow members of the community to tag sections of the report as unfair (with a template+category), allow encourage discussion of it, and allow corrections (and reversions) by custodians as normal. With research there is nothing to be gained by being neutral, since hypotheses and conclusions are the most important parts of the report - however there is a lot to gain by being objective. The actual collected data should be kept in a subpage and protected by a custodian as soon as it is there - that way neither the researcher or any malicious or well-intentioned editor has any chance to manipulate the data to push their agenda. That is one very specific guideline that can be enforced with minimum interference with the rest of the research. After the results have been gathered and posted, the rest of the report is an analysis of the results and evaluation of the procude.

If these measures are finalised and implemented, it protects the raw data, allows everybody to contribute, allows everybody to police and moderate the report, allows/encourages active discussion and participation and still allows enough control to ensure the objectivity of the report.- Xenon (talk) 21:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, and good point (x5). That page protection system is certainly a step in the right direction, although it does have a couple of issues where the raw data is involved - it can still give the creator (protector) the opportunity to change the results where neccessary (which is good) or for less fair POV-pushing reasons (which is less good). However, I overlooked the history tab, which is a straightforwad clear indication of what's been changed by who. There should be a notice at the top of the raw data page requesting users not to edit the data (except perhaps reformatting). Every now and again any user (eg the researcher or a custodian) could simply check the history and make sure it hasn't been changed. I do appreciate that most results manipulation would happen in the gathering stage, eg to forge a correlation where there is none, but the tag has its own benefits. Simply tagging and checking the history is a viable alternative to protection.

One other thing I suggest is having a Research: namespace, and with [*] permissions set to readonly. This rules out guests from creating/editing research, but the argument could be that if they do not have the time to devote to signing up, then they wouldn't have the time to devote to reading the entire report and making useful informed contributions to it. Again, that's a bit harsh but it's a possibility.

So for the peer review system, you are suggesting having referees as approved editors (with academic experience) who would (amongst other duties) formally review research reports and deal with anomalies and agenda-pushing? What stage of the process would this occur in, since it is 'cumbersome' to go through all the edits and figure out where somebody is being unfair? If there is no defined end to the process (or if it takes years) then surely that has to be conducted at regular intervals, or is when the referee happens by enough? Then again, surely anybody is entitled to their own point of view so long as they do not edit others POVs or vandalise (inc get aggressive)? Is there a need to restrict people from making their statement, in a way that custodians could not? The advantage of a referee would not be to judge who was right/wrong, but to judge who is being unfair and disrupting the report. That is quite a responsibility.

Results replication is important, we do need to be able to confirm or disprove research. As well as the procedural part of the report, the evaluation is important - it identifies mistakes and suggests improvements. The great thing about having a large not-necessarily-academic community is that other people can (and will) attempt to replicate experiments. The problem with that is the inclusion of sub-standard hap-hazard research, as well as completely biased studies done by inexperienced editors. I appreciate that the point of Wikiversity, as of Wikipedia, is to allow anybody with tiny scraps of knowledge to come together and collate that knowledge, but perhaps some form of peer-review process should be introduced at the other end of the research cycle? Should researchers have to submit hypotheses and an outlined procedure for approval before they proceed with the research, or at least before they can submit it? Either that or referees should have the ability responsibility to weed out 'bad' projects and discuss them with their creator.

One final point I would like to introduce is the original researcher themselves - would the not have some say in closing the project (when they deem it complete)? Does the researcher (the data gatherer) have to remain to run the project? Could they not pass on responsibility for maintaining the report to a peer, friend or other editor? I believe someone who is passionate about that research should be on hand to maintain it, but need that be the original researcher? If the researcher leaves WV or if subsequent research has been conducted then the research should be marked as an archive. Of course discussion plays a big part in every step of this process, people asking for extra data, referees discussing POV-pushing, researchers deciding when/whether to archive or who to pass on responsibility to, even the analysis is a discussion of the results and the evaluation is a discussion of the procedure.

The referees would be a great asset, but what would be the selection criteria (beyond voting)?- Xenon (talk) 10:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, you say that (some people think that) the main content of the Wiki (for which it was created) should be in the main namespace, with others used for organising that content, metadata and other associative but non-focal things. I'd be inclined to agree with that, although to me lessons and research are two ends of the scale. At one end, researchers are taking what they know, gathering data and creating knowledge; at the other, the people with that knowledge are sharing it with others. Would this system benefit from their separation (as if they were in a separate wiki) or from them existing side by side? I don't think having a namespace for research would baffle people, its logical to me to use the prefixes (once they're introduced to the reader) and certainly isn't unneccessarily complicated. The benefits of having a namespace is the permissions-based editing. You suggest using Research: for the projects and collaboration, but I suppose that's nothing that couldn't be done from the main namespace. Unless we want permissions to be for the entire main namespace, I suggest we allow the separation. I don't agree with blurring the boundaries. On another note, should we have individual URM permissions for the researcher to be allowed to create pages in the Research: namespace?

However, once research has been completed and peer-approved then it becomes knowledge. It is then useful for people to learn from, rather than put their knowledge in. Then it is something that should be in the main namespaces. Once research is "complete", it has no need for a collaborative process, and the discussion available in the main namespace is enough. Alongside the occasional checking of the report, the main function of the "Referees" would be to approve completed reports and move them to the main namespace, adding an "approved research" template (with category_) and perhaps archiving discussion.

As for "Referee", it is an appropriate title, although perhaps being a member of a panel of referees (research committee?) is a more accurate designation? They should undergo the same processes as requests for custodian action - you can request occasional checks of your research so far, and then submit the research for approval. The final approval should perhaps be done by a panel of three referees, requiring a unanimous rubber-stamp before its moved and tagged. That process would also work for submitting approval before commencing research. As for selection of referees, I'd trust the custodian selection system. Don't worry, I'll stop using up so much of your talk page soon :-) - Xenon (talk) 19:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The discussion page for Wikiversity:Research guidelines

Hello. Is the page wikiversity:scope of research the discussion page for wikiversity:research guidelines? If it is so, we should be the fact clear.--Hillgentleman 18:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Special:Statistics

There have been a total of 0 page views, and 3,626 page edits since the wiki was setup. That comes to 5.90 average edits per page, and 0.00 views per edit"

I'm sure Beta is a little more popular than that... - Xenon (talk) 11:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I'm game for it. Let's get this show on the proverbial road. I'm literally finishing off a research project of my own, so all the juicy details are fresh.

As for the Special:Statistics problem, it isn't an isolated incident. Every Wikimedia Wiki I come across has had the reference to page views removed from the stats page - could be a problem with a common modification or (more likely) this pre-release version of Mediawiki (1.10alpha). - Xenon (talk) 23:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noted some practical thoughts at User:Xenon/Research. Your input would be much appreciated. - Xenon (talk) 14:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] wikiversity:review board


[edit] Consta User

Hello my name is Consta, I'm a Greek user in beta wikiversity. I would like to tell to you that I have made a lot of work in Category: EL (as you will see in my contribution) i have tried very much to upgrade it and with other developed languages there. Therefore, I would like to ask you if you can make me administrator protecting it from undesirable treatments.--Consta 14:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Answer:

Please see this page Υποψηφιότητα Χρήστη Consta .--Consta 14:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

  • I wait for at least four, rather more--Consta 17:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • The voting in my page its over .Also SPQRobin did'nt participate in Greek project, simply only voted. --Consta

[edit] User:Computer

  • Bot operator: User:White Cat (Commons:User:White Cat) - En-N, Tr-4, Ja-1
  • List of botflags on other projects: Bot has a flag on wikimedia (meta,commons) wikipedia (ar, az, de, en, es, et, fr, is, ja, ku, nn, no, ru, sr, tr, uz, simple...) (See: m:User:White Cat#Bots)
  • Purpose: Interwiki linking, double redirect fixing, commons delinking (for cases where commonsdelinker fails)

-- Cat chi? 19:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] bot

Please send all bot requests through User:Sebmol. Thanks. --JWSchmidt 01:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

User has made no edits since 1 July 2007 so I don't think he'd be able to respond. -- Cat chi? 18:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Sebmol is easy to reach at German Wikipedia, ----Erkan Yilmaz (Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog) 22:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rjclauddio custodianship

Im rjclaudio from beta.Wikiversity, and a pt-user. As Hillgentleman (a custodian there) sugested me, I start a discussion to name a custodian for wikiversity.pt in betawikiversity:Talk:Wikiversidade:Projeto#Administrador and the users elected me.

So Im asking you, as a Bureaucrats there, if you can give me the status.

Thanks, Rjclauddio 16:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

The project have nowadays only 3 users active, but I send a message to 2 more users that have made a edit in the past 30 days, so its 4 users + me.
I proposed me and other two users, one that is a custodian in wikibooks, and other one that was active in the past but not that much now.
I asked if its necessary to contact every user, even the ones that dont edit for many time, and the others think its not necessary.
The four users voted in me, including the two I suggested.
The discussion about what I have done is in another section of the talk page, if you need I can translate too, but to cite the most important, I restart the discussion about the model to use in wikiversity, how to proceed to import pages from wikibooks, and Im starting to read what we still need to do to move to "pt.wikiversity".
One user is custodian in wikibooks, and he offered his help if I had any questions about the tools.
The discussion didnt have many arguments cause we are a short project so everyone know about the edits of the others and it wasnt necessary to comment (and in pt.wikipedia we are acostumed to simply vote, and only coment if the user want.
If you want any other information Ill translate to you.
Rjclauddio 23:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rename request

Please, rename kisbes to balasyum. --Kisbes 18:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please rename me

Hi, I have changed my username at my homewiki and want to to it here to. Please rename me to Calandrella. Here is confirmation. Leo Johannes 18:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Perhaps we can use wikiversity:Research guidelines/En/Development?

Hillgentleman|書 23:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiversity:Research guidelines/En/Development

As suggested, I have started a development page on the English research guidelines: Wikiversity:Research guidelines/En/Development. Hillgentleman|書 01:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Title blacklist

John, Here [1] is the description of the titleblacklist extension. Basically, the line (autoconfirmed, noedit) on m:title blacklist prohibits editing or the creation by an ip-user of a page which matches the wikipedia:regular expression, i.e. a pagename containing "Barsoom Took" or "Moulton" in the user or user talk namespace. The title blacklist does not prevent Moulton from editing; only the global block does. <Hillgentleman| ~ | 書> 12:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Would either of you gentlemen be willing to post a neutralizing entry in the local Title Whitelist, so that I can respond to comments on my talk page, rather than in out-of-the-way pages? Thanks. —Moulton 13:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Restoration

Mike Ingram marked each of those pages for speedy deletion ("beyond scope") over a month ago. No one commented. I object to the proposed deletion, but I am barred from posting my objection on account of the Title Blacklist. I propose the speedy deletion notice be reverted, as there was no second to Ingram's motion, no discussion, no community attention, review, or vote. His motion thus fails as the intervention of rogue operator, acting alone, outside the scope of Wikiversity policy, practice, and procedure.

Moulton 08:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Any further consideration on this? Moulton 23:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Usurpation and renames

Hi. I've two accounts here: Luckas13 and Luckas Blade. You can see on other projects like ptwikipedia, ptwiktionary and meta that Luckas13 was renamed to Luckas Blade. What I want that you do here:

  • Rename Luckas13 to another username (on Incubator was "Renameduser17", for example)
  • Rename Luckas Blade to Luckas13
  • Rename Luckas13 to Luckas Blade

These last two seems to be nonsense, but you have to do it, because doing this Luckas13 will be Luckas Blade and it will stay right. It's explained. --Luckas Blade 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I ask you to read again the request and see how it was made on Incubator. I hope this will help you to help me. --Luckas Blade 23:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Could you delete User:Luckas Blade, User talk:Luckas Blade, User:Luckas Blade (usurped) and User talk:Luckas Blade (usurped) ? Thanks. --Luckas Blade 20:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Because I don't need and don't want them anymore. --Luckas Blade 23:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

@betaWikiversity,thanksSkjackey tse 14:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] rename

@betaWikiversity,thanksSkjackey tse 14:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

All done. <Hillgentleman| ~ | 書> 16:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
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