User talk:Jon Awbrey~betawikiversity

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Jon Awbrey


a poem by a collectively unconscious amigo:

The spirit of inquiry comes from the heart.
Where it lives there's no need to force it.
Where it's dead there's no way to argue it
into being -- it demands an external shock
or an internal quake, a sense of anharmony
to kick-start it back to the realm of life.
But don't underestimate the persistence of
a static status quo to insulate its static
atmospherics from all hope of resuscitance,
by all the available routines of authority,
parochial isolation, not to say xenophobia.

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Welcome[edit]

Welcome to Wikiversity!

  • Babel is our multilingual forum for general discussions and announcements.

--Hillgentleman| 13:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

deletion/export[edit]

I have requested that two articles you have written, Ampheck and Logical graph, be moved to either en.wikiversity or en.wikipedia based on the scope of the topic. Beta is for learning projects that do not have a language or for projects that can't find a fit elsewhere. The material seems like it is appropriate for the two other projects above, with my personal feeling that they could be of substantial benefit to Wikipedia as pages on the two seem to be lacking in material. Ottava Rima 16:25, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your logic course[edit]

Done. Please continue your valuable contributions and thanks a lot. <Hillgentleman| ~ | 書> 22:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Your Upload[edit]

You need indicate a licence into the files that you upload. But, it's better to upload in Wikimedia Commons, because when a new wikiversity will be open, the file do not need to be re-upload to the new wikiversity. Wikimedia Common is as a shared folder between all wiki. Crochet.david 19:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, David, this site is still somewhat experimental for me, so I would like to use a more conservative license until I get more comfortable with how things are used. I have been accustomed to using the "Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial 3.0 Unported License" for images. Do you have templates somewhere for that? The one I got from CC didn't seem to work on the image documentation page. Thanks, JonAwbrey 19:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
CC-nc is not allowed in the Wikimedia Foundation servers.Crochet.david 20:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, you could have just told me that in the first place. I'll go look at the CC site again and see what else they've got. I don't know what's the diff between 2.5 and 3.0. JonAwbrey 20:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How do I put one of those CC sa 2.5 templates in the image doc like I see here? JonAwbrey 20:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
see source code: by adding {{cc-by-sa-2.5}} to your picture, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 20:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I think I got them all. JonAwbrey 21:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
David, when I click the attribution links on this Commons page, they send me to a non-existent page at EN Wikiversity. This doesn't look like any kind of database lag, so I'm guessing that it's some other kind of problem with the bot? Thanks, JonAwbrey 03:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The bot seems to do it wrong :-( see for a fix n that specific picture you mentioned: [1]
the human taking care of the bot was informed: commons:User talk:Magnus Manske#files from betawikiversity, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 07:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Non-free licensing can be allowed on en.Wikiversity, which has an Exemption Doctrine Policy. It's complicated, but with a Fair Use rationale that shows a reasonable educational use, per the policy, Fair Use may be claimed. Beta has no EDP, so, unless that is fixed, anything with defective licensing here is headed for deletion, and there is a user recently active here dedicated to making sure that happens.
He touched a page of yours the other day, changing your Image to a Commons file. You reverted that as part of a general edit, and you removed his speedy deletion tag on the local file. Commons files are not necessarily safe. We have seen Commons files used for a long time on Wikiversity. Then someone on Commons claims that the license was defective, and the file disappears. And then the delinking robot comes along and deletes the link. It's tedious to find the original file in history, and, of course, it may then take a custodian to restore the file to even see if it's usable. It is safer to have files hosted locally. There is thus some level of conflict between local purposes (the educational purpose of wikiversity) and the goal of free content (the WMF general policy and an absolute Commons requirement). Fair Use files are absolutely not allowed on Commons. This is an issue we are actively exploring on Wikiversity, where the culture definitely is on the side of educational purpose, free to read, not necessarily free to reproduce for profit, which is what "free content" really means, it's a tad misleading. (Any nonprofit usage could likely also claim Fair Use without a legal problem.)
We are developing, on en.wv, Fair Use rationales for files where the original user is gone, and this, then, satisfies a major goal of the WMF that all files not properly licensed for free use be tagged in a way that is machine-readable.
Basically, Wikiversity is developing the sophistication to handle conflicts without disruption. Fingers crossed, eh?
This user might accept your revert, or not. I'll watch. --Abd (talk) 22:44, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Global Account[edit]

Merge your account with this tool.Crochet.david 07:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I first created accounts on several other WMF language and project wikis several years ago — to help with the EN Wikipedia articles I started or worked on that had been translated into other languages, to work on supporting materials in WikiQuote and similar resources, and to collaborate with some of the people that I knew from academic discussion lists who were studying the same subjects. Some of the language based Wikipedias wouldn't let me use the form "Jon Awbrey", with a space in the middle, so I registered as "JonAwbrey" and put a redirect from that to my usual name page. Long story short, I now have a global account in the CamelCase format but I can't merge the "Spaced Out" account due to being blocked on the English Wikipedia. If there is some way to make Beta Wikiversity my "home" account, then I could merge the "Jon Awbrey" account. Thanks, JonAwbrey 15:30, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your Pages[edit]

May I ask, why you are creating pages here in English and not in English Wikiversity? Some of them seems like a simulation of the pages I have seen on MyWikiBiz — is that kind of test? —Juan de Vojníkov 07:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Juan, thanks for your interest in the material so far, though I have to say it is likely to remain in a "stepwise refinement of raw materials" phase for quite a while into the future. I think that what I intend to do here falls more into the category of "international incubation" than would fit within the horizons of the English Wikiversity. Besides which, as you probably know, that region is very chaotic, even hostile, and uncertain as to continued existence right now. Several of the key pages in this work have already been translated or partially ported into Chinese, German, Hebrew, and Portuguese, but when I tried to upgrade the graphics on the Interwiki versions several years ago I was blocked by various agents out of Meta. At any rate, there is much more work to do at present before I can chunk this material into instructional modules and bring the animation up to speed. Feel free to enroll on the Participant Subpage for Inquiry or Logic if you are interested. JonAwbrey 13:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I saw the page you recently edited and came here and see that others thought as I thought. This is material that belongs on en.wv. In spite of the Wikiversity Wars, Back Then, it has become a quiet and stable wiki. The only material that caused trouble was what could be called "Wiki Studies," which were really using Wikiversity as a platform from which to attack (or "criticize") Wikipedia administrators. That kind of material can still be a problem, though I have been able to use my user space in Wikiversity to document certain history on Wikipedia, carefully avoiding conclusions that administrators were wrong, just describing the events neutrally, i.e., avoiding "attack," unless a diff from someone attacks them. One could, for any active administrator, compile a list of diffs that make the administrator look bad, but that's "cherry-picking," and making an administrator look bad has never been my goal.
(My concern has always been structure, and Wikipedia problems are, my view, do to poor structure, not bad administrators. The structure turns good people into harmful administrators, with surprising efficiency. Attacking the people, trying to get rid of the Bad People, is part of the problem. It doesn't work.)
But the issues I know you have faced on Wikipedia would simply not exist on Wikiversity, and even if Wikipedians showed up to attack, we have well-established traditions that would allow all your material to remain, and you would be safe from revert warring. We have ways to handle content disputes that essentially allow authors free reign to create their own versions. Someone else wants to create something different, create. We frame them both neutrally. It's really very simple. The result, possibly surprisingly, is that people who, on Wikipedia, might be revert warring and trying to get each other banned, actually cooperate, and deeper resources are created.
Material on Beta may not be as safe, in fact.
We have ways of handling immature material, much on Wikiversity is immature. But I know your work would be very welcome, and you would be assisted there whenver you needed it. The most that would happen, as to "conflict," would be how your resources are named and framed. We are moving away from the wild, ad hoc resource naming in the early days toward tighter *organization*. So a participatory project might end up being presented as a resource on Logic, for example. Logic Live is the name of a project, not a topic, per se. It might not be at the top level in mainspace, but might be underneath (a subpage of) a resource on Logic.
(Subpages aren't used on Wikipedia, which might have been a very different project if they were. Wikiversity got subpages from Wikibooks, where subpages allow each chapter to be a page, and the entire structure can be moved with a single rename. Subpages allow us to fork resources when needed, keeping them linked at the top level for neutrality.
In any case, I want to affirm that your material would be most welcome, and you would have great freedom in developing it on en.wv, and it would probably attract more participation. Nobody looks for this on Beta, any more. --Abd (talk) 22:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Abd, David, Erkan — I didn't understand very much of that stuff above, will try reading it again when I have more time. But I reverted that edit mostly because of the title change that mis-identified the content. These “Logic Live” pages are an experiment in cross-community collaboration so I have to use the same titles that are used on the other wikis. I don't care if stuff is copied to Commons so long as a copy remains here. Didn't know there was an en.wikiversity, so I'll look for that later. Jon Awbrey (talk) 16:54, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If the title misidentified the content, then I apologize for having changed it. But you could just tell me so I can ask a bot at Commons to change the title back to how it was originally uploaded here. If you really want cross-community collaboration, images uploaded onto Commons allow reuse across multiple language versions of the same wiki project, and even multiple wiki project types at once; if you wanted a multilingual description of your images then Commons allow much more flexibility for translation efforts than here. The current files are confined solely to either English Wikiversity or Beta Wikiversity, but it would translate better (if someone did translation work on the image captions) to say Russian Wikiversity or even German Wikibooks if they ever tried to use it, if the file were on Commons instead. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 21:34, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The correct title for the image is “File:Venn Diagram (P,Q).jpg”. The parentheses and comma (-,-) are part of the notation for a specific form of venn diagram. See the article Minimal negation operator for an explanation. Regards, Jon Awbrey (talk) 20:52, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your account will be renamed[edit]

19:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed[edit]

02:27, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Note[edit]

February 2018[edit]

Hello. A number of pages you created have been listed for deletion at Wikiversity:Request custodian action/En#Articles duplicated on English Wikiversity. Green Giant (talk) 01:05, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]