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Special:Gadgets[edit]

Thanks Hillgentleman for the gadget implementation! Greetings from Munich
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 03:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


Bureaucrat[edit]

Hello Hillgentleman. I would like to propose you as a bureaucrat as beta wikiversity needs an active bureaucrat. Are you interested in my proposal?--ZaDiak(T)(C)@ 23:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I can help. Hillgentleman| 22:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, then how about extending/creating a page like: Wikiversity:Custodians about Bureaucrat functions ? Also setting then an announcement and/or Sitenotice msg about the nomination and the starting election process/request for comments? (at en.WV there is atm such a period of comments) ----Erkan Yilmaz (Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog) 08:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I propose to host the election in Babel. I think that the page about custodianship should be expanded so as to include bureaucrat. We should also announce the elections in the sitenotice.--ZaDiak(T)(C)@ 13:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Incubator or Wikibooks ?[edit]

The wikiversity in portuguese were created in Wikibooks Wikiversidade no Wikibooks in 2004. So the pages in incubator, such as this one are copy+paste from Wikiversity in Wikibooks (so we lost History too).

If we should preserve the history we should import from Wikibooks, with 300 pages.

I think half of the pages were already copied, and almost lot of things was changed (with few exceptions). We should fusion the history in order to preserve the contributions, otherwise just delete the pages there and import will delete new contributions.

The pages should be imported and them do a history fusion with the existing ones. I could make a list of the pages in Wikibooks and the same page in Wikiversity, and someone do the history fusion.

Until this, what we do ? Some pages in wikibooks are important. One day we have to make them if nobody import them.


Others pages I put to Deletion were just a duplicate (Wv/pt/Wikiversidade/Formação Básica and Formação Básica are the same pages, created by the same user, just some time later) or with wrong spelling ((Wikivesidade -> Wikiversidade).

Rjclaudio 17:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for bad english, Im brasilian. Rjclaudio 17:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the information. As we know, these pages should ultimately be exported to the specific site pt.wikiversity. And we haven't got enough man power to sort out the hundreds of pages here (and I haven't see a bot for importing and history-merging). I am not sure if all of the incubator pages are pasted from wikibooks; but if that is the case there is no harm in deletion. Hillgentleman| 18:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

If its to keep the history its very important to import from pt.wikibooks.

Could I help the import/export to make a wikiversity in PT ? I dont know what we still have to do to make export to pt.wikiversity.

About incubator I dont know the situation, I`ll see the history one by one.

About import / merge, Im thinkin in do one step at a time.

  1. import all pages from incubator/wikibooks to beta.wikiversity - The titles are diferente there and here, so we wont have problems.
  2. history-merge - Make a list to pages that have to be merged. Its much easier to do this with all pages in beta.wikiversity
  3. export everything to pt.wikiversity

Custodian = administrators / sysops ? If so, we have to make a election ? Or it can be by consensus ? We only have 6 users that contribute last 30 days, a consensus should be enough.

Rjclaudio 18:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Custodian=sysop. It would be good to have active sysops in every language. You can announce it at Wikiversity:babel or set up a page, and let others comment.
I think it is possible to import page history to a page that already exists. I shall check again. However, we need to ask bugzilla to enable importing from pt:wikibooks. And perhaps from many other wikibooks also.Hillgentleman| 04:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I should make it in a new page ? Or it can be at Talk:Wikiversidade:Projeto#Administrador (in portuguese) ? Ill wait to see if Im the only one interested in be a custodian. If so, we still need a election ? Rjclaudio 05:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

You can do it on Talk:Wikiversidade:Projeto#Administrador and post a link to it on Wikiversity:babel. Hillgentleman| 10:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

watchlist - Talk:Wikiversidade:Projeto[edit]

I put the page Wikiversidade:Projeto in my watchlist (so Talk:Wikiversidade:Projeto is in the same list).

But I cant see the editions in Talk:Wikiversidade:Projeto in my watchlist, and I have "Show bot edits" and "Show minor edits".

I see one edition today, but it isnt there anymore. I think I only see editions after my last edit, its correct ? In wikipedia it isnt this way.

Rjclaudio 02:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I can see it now. It may be a glitch. I don't know how exactly the watchlist works. You may ask it at mw:. Hillgentleman| 04:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I made a test, editing my own talk page after you edit, and i cant see your edit anymore. So, I only see edits after my last edit. I prefer the way of Wikipedia. Thanks anyway. Rjclaudio 05:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean. In the watchlist only the latest edit of a page is shown. Hillgentleman| 10:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Now I understand. In Wikipedia the watchlist show the 50 last edits (changable in preferences) in all pages in watchlist, and it can be one page with 50 edits, or 50 pages wuth 1 edit. Here its diferent. OK. Rjclaudio 19:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

importing from pt.wikibooks to beta.wikiversity[edit]

I've got the Custodian access, and now I can use the "import" tool. But I dont understand. I can use the "export" in wikibooks to download a xml file. And then what I do ?

Or I have to import one by one ?


I ask incubator:User talk:MF-Warburg about the history merging, and he said "If you try to import a page from Wikibooks and a page with the same name exists on Wikiversity, and this is the illegally copied page, then you can just import the page (the histories will be merged automatically)."

So, when the names are differents, can I move a page here (illegally copied) from X to Y, import Y from incubator (automatically history merging), and move back Y to X ?

Rjclaudio 03:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

To import xml files you need on the page Special:Import to see a field to import a xml file. Normally this is available only with other rights than that of custodian/bureaucrat. In most cases you have to import each page one by one (that is why importing pages is so loved :-)).
About the second part: technically you can do this. But what does these illegally copied pages contain ? E.g. if there is a prob regarding license, then it could in some times be better to initiate "other actions". Do you have an example with a page on beta ? ----Erkan Yilmaz (Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog) 06:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

An exemple is this page in wikibooks and this page in beta.wikiversity. In wikibooks it has 13 edits, then in March 10, a user Copy+Past the page to here, and more 13 edits (almost mines).

So we lost 13 edits, in 26 in total. Whats the "other actions" ?


For my first time in importing I prefer to do this one page at a time, specially as there is a lot history merging. I try to put the name of a page in wikibooks in the field in Special:Import, but I got the message

How can I import one page at a time ?

Rjclaudio 13:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

1. Sorry for the late reply.
2."How can I import one page at a time ?" <-- you can only import all the revisions of one page at a time - or else you may try to use a bot to automate the process.
3. "illegally imported pages" - pages cut-and-pasted have parts of their page history missing and so fail the GFDL. But if you then import the page anyway, you would have imported the previous revisions "underneath" the cut-and-paste, making it legal. Hillgentleman| 16:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I go to Special:Import. In the list, I choose "b" (book), and in the field I put the pagename in wikibooks. I check "Copy all history versions for this page", and "Transfer pages into namespace : all". But I got an error "Import failed: Could not open import file". What Im doing wrong ? Rjclaudio 20:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Notice that Wikibooks actually mean English wikibooks. Anyway, sometimes weird things happen. You may try again - or try again later. I am not too familiar with the mediawiki machine, but I guess some problems may have to do with the "export" functionality on the wikibook side. I Sorry for my late reply. Hillgentleman| 14:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, there's already one person importing pages, from wikibooks and beta wikiversity to pt.wikiversity. So its not necessary anymore. Rjclaudio 17:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleting pages[edit]

When I want to delete a page, do I need to use the template "delete" and other custodian delete, or can I delete myself ? Rjclaudio 02:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Usually we just delete stuff when it is obviously deletable. Since we haven't set up a discussion/request page for deletions, you can bring up unclear cases to Wikiversity:babel.Hillgentleman| 07:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Help:Importing from Incubator[edit]

I do not know if you understand the usefulness of the page that is not to import pages from incubator to betawikiversity, but to give the information to import pages from bétawikiversity to the project which has been created.
There is no utility (at least not as a page) how to import from incubator, since no wikiversity project will create on incubator project
As a result, it is more logical to rename the page Help:Importing from betawikiversity
Crochet.david 17:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I see. Go ahead and fork the page accordingly. Hillgentleman| 09:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Importing pages - pt.wv[edit]

I create the Category:Imported pages for speedy deletion to agroup pages imported from wv-pt. There is still some pages in Category:PT that I need to ask if we want them, and others that werent imported,

I put the categories to delete, and them all pages categorized should be deleted too. So now we have many many pages to delete. There is a easier way to delete pages or I have to delete one by one ? Is there a command that I can use to delete all pages in a category in the same time ?

Rjclaudio 00:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

There is a script m:delete.py in the m:python wikipedia framework which automates the process. Hillgentleman| 03:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I dont know how to use a bot. Can you do this for me ? Rjclaudio 23:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I have moved to a new computer and I need to reinstall pywikimedia. I shall try to do it when I have more time. Hillgentleman| 07:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, delete the subcategory and sub-subcategory. Rjclaudio 16:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Reply[edit]

No Hillgentleman we don't need it thx for asking before deleting it.--ZaDiak(T)(C)@ 14:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

last japanese ceration[edit]

So, after dicussion with some ja-wikipedia-contributors, the page create by Miyazaki may be some song. So it's better to tell somebody from ja-wikiversity to know what doing about this page (delete or export), lot of them are lonely, and if it's linked by another page, the top-page is also lonely. So I don't add JA category to found it easier with the spécial page. Crochet.david 07:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Japanese vandalism[edit]

Hi, I see that you have blocked all of them. What about to check the IP range, if the vandal will continue?--Juan 17:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Let's wait and see. We may request for checksuser. Hillgentleman| 23:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
A request was made, ----Erkan Yilmaz (Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog) 04:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, good work. Do we know, who is the provider? That we can discuss with the provider?--Juan 16:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

If they are in Japan, http://www.nic.ad.jp/en/db/whois/en-gateway.html will give you the providers' exact contact addresses / phone numbers (skype-out may reduce your expense). Also see the below. --Aphaia 01:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandal Miyazaki[edit]

User:Miyazaki and 藤原紀香x seem to share the modus operandi of ja:w:Wikipedia:進行中の荒らし行為/長期/チアダンス, just for your information. --Aphaia 01:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

本当にありがとうございます! Thank you very much! Hillgentleman| 01:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot username rename[edit]

Hi, I'd like my bot User:Computer to be renamed to User:タチコマ robot. This rename request is per my wikimedia wide bot username rename. I have decided to have a single username to more efficiently use SUL. Thanks.

  • If this is not the right place to make this request, please move it to the right place.

-- Cat chi? 12:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Let me check. sul:タチコマ robot

Please rename me[edit]

Hi, I have changed my username at my homewiki and want to to it here to. Please rename me to Calandrella. Here is confirmation. Leo Johannes 18:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

done. --JWSchmidt 20:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Moulton[edit]

I just want to let you know that I asked Moulton to help with the research guidelines. I have not yet had a chance to look at his changes. Just letting you know. --JWSchmidt 23:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

"wikiversity:Research guidelines/En/Development" <-- good idea. We need to address the changes suggested by Jimbo. --JWSchmidt 23:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Please comment on custodial failure to falsify H1[edit]

Hillgentleman, you have been curiously silent with respect to a research question I posed on my Wikiversity talk page:

I would like to propose a scholarly examination and peer review of the following two scientific hypotheses:

  • H0: Benign AGF (Assume Good Faith) that nothing sinister, nothing unusual, nothing extraordinary has happened here in Wikiversity or in the associated IRC channels.
  • H1: Speculative (and as yet unproven) hypothesis that "an unknown number of (unidentified) admins requested that Jimbo be the one to make the block" on the (reliable) theory that there would then not be an immediate consensus to overturn the block, even if the consensus were that it was inappropriate for Jimbo to have been asked to make the block on their behalf (and improper for him to have acceded to doing so).

H1 is a falsifiable and testable hypothesis, so I have (elsewhere) proposed a simple experiment to test it. Those here who are systems scientists, can figure out the experimental test without much difficulty. Those here who are actors in a constructed reality soap opera will probably have little or no idea what I'm talking about.

So far, the acknowledged actions of the majority of resident scholars here has reified (rather than refuted) H1. It is still possible for H1 to be falsified, but to the best of my knowledge and awareness, that has not yet happened as of this moment in the remarkable history of Wikiversity.

Moulton 12:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

See also this offsite discussion thread where the same issue hangs in the air.

I am anxious to learn your thoughts and feelings on the failure, thus far, to falsify that disturbing and troubling hypothesis.

Moulton 13:56, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Please give me some time to consider your question. Hillgentleman| 04:56, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes, of course. I would be interested in a carefully thought through analysis. Moulton 18:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Any thoughts yet? Moulton 01:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Experimental Outcome: H1 Definitively Proven[edit]

As you may know, Mike Umbricht went ahead and stipulated H1 some time ago. Thus we now have it as a scientifically established and confirmed theory that "a number of Wikiversity admins requested that Jimbo be the one to make the block against Moulton" on the reliable theory that there would then not be an immediate consensus to overturn the block, even if the consensus were that it was inappropriate for Jimbo to have been asked to make the block on their behalf (and improper for him to have acceded to doing so). Moulton 11:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Please comment on review of didactic methods employing character-driven dialogues[edit]

Would you be kind enough to join this discussion on the practice of crafting educational content through the medium of character-driven dialogues (e.g. Dialogues of Plato; Galileo's Dialogue on the Two Chief World Systems; the writings of Lewis Carroll, Raymond Smullyan, and Douglas Hofstadter; and the puppetry of late 20th century educators like Burr Tillstrom, Shari Lewis, and Jim Henson)? Thanks. Moulton 18:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The discussion is confusing and confused; I cannot find any solid reason in the proposal. However, we can know at least that the problem is less in your alter-egos than in your going around your block. Now, Moulton, no matter what, you have been blocked at English Wikiversity. So your continuing editing with different ips would certainly cause problems to the custodians who are simply doing their jobs; it would not solve your problems and it only makes them worse. It appears to me that you are at the "lose-lose" corner in the prisoner's dilemma. Hillgentleman| 02:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for stepping up to the plate and responding to Sxeptomaniac.
The portions of the discussion that were unceremoniously disrupted by adversarial editors may be reviewed here.
As you no doubt appreciate, I consider Jimbo's intervention to be a gross breach of the principles of the WMF Mission Statement and disruptive of the chartered educational processes underway at Wikiversity. I called for a community review of Jimbo's unwarranted intervention, but most of the custodians were evidently too intimidated to discharge their responsibilities. In other words, I assert the custodians failed to do their jobs, and I am prepared to defend that assertion with solid evidence, sound reasoning, and coherent analysis. I am not particularly concerned with my problems. I'm 63 years old and semi-retired. What I care about is whether our young people have a future. If they don't learn how to think like scientists, I fear they won't have much of a future. It doesn't matter any more what happens to me. What matters is what happens to them, if they don't learn how to think their way out of the mess our world is in. Moulton 02:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Please comment on summary deletion of literary content on Wikiversity without community consensus[edit]

Hillgentleman, would you be kind enought to consider this off-wiki commentary, and then weigh in on Mu301's requests for comments regarding Sebmol's precipitous deletion of literary content on Wikiversity that was still under community review and discussion? It occurs to me that Sebmol, Ottava Rima, Emesee, and Mu301 may have acted hastily and out of process. Many thanks for your views. Moulton 17:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I have explained why deletion is not a good idea. However, the discussion is leaning towards deletion. Even if I am not happy with it, I cannot really say sebmol's action was unjustified. Or, let me put it this way, a number of wikiversitians who have spoken do not consider contributions of your alter egos Caprice, Montana mouse and their company useful, and these wikiversitians wanted to make them disappear by deleting their userpages. Moulton, a Wiki is run by a community, and a collaborative community can function only when the contributors are happy with each other. You can do what you think is right, but you need not make people unhappy in the process: that will not work. And, Moulton, you can very easily shut a lot of your critics up by stopping posting personal information. Would you please do so?Hillgentleman < | ~| > 10:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
If the discussion is "leaning towards deletion," then can you explain to me why Sebmol acted precipitously to delete those pages before the discussion had run its course, and why Mu301 then hastily closed the door to further discussion? Also, can you explain to me why those "leaning towards deletion" also removed from the discussion those arguments pushing the decision the other way? Can you further explain why Cormaggio then locked the discussion?
To the best of my knowledge, I am not in possession of any personal information. I am unclear where that theory originates, or why others are making that claim. Can you identify any personal information that I am in possession of that is not in the public domain?
As to "shutting up my critics," I have no desire whatsoever to silence them. As a research scientist, I take my critics seriously. It is my practice to highlight criticisms and to respond to them in the manner which is traditional in scholarly work. Part of my problem is making sure that I correctly attribute the insights of my critics. Often in the annals of science, a critic uncovers a significant flaw in a piece of scientific work. To the extent that my critics are helping to expose any otherwise undetected flaws in my research, it is important that I give them due credit. Anything less than properly crediting my critics would not be fair or ethical treatment of my fellow scholars.
Moulton 12:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The role of irony in literature[edit]

It is ironic that the Request for Deletion of Moulton's didactic character subpages was submitted by Ottava Rima, whose own page identifies himself as an Italian Rhyme:

Ottava Rima - an Italian rhyme used by epic poets and later adapted by playful Brits.

Now one of the deleted pages belongs to Albatross, a metaphorical character who appears in a classic piece of 18th Century verse. In the present case, Moulton's Albatross (representing Coleridge's metaphor for a millstone around one's neck) appears in a parallel story called "The Crime of the Ancient Mariner." Now Ottava Rima offers original poetry, as do Moulton's literary characters.

Perhaps a fair judge of literature — ranging from biblical era epics to 18th Century rhymes to post-modern poetry of the absurd — might dismiss the efforts of one or both of us as "without redeeming literary value." But is Sebmol such a fair judge when he deletes them all, opining, "...they serve no redeeming value..."? Sebmol is entitled to his critical opinions, and I wouldn't begrudge him the unalienable right to publish his views on the quality of my literary efforts. But do his views then entitle him to summarily remove them from a compendium that purports to be the "sum of all human knowledge"? Are not other scholars entitled to make up their own minds?

Moulton 14:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

We can consider the pages that sebmol deleted user pages, and not learning resources. A user page on wikiversity is for facilitating collaborative learning. --Hillgentleman < | ~| > 18:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Do you have any evidence that no one learned anything from the content of those pages? Do you have any evidence that anyone did learn anything from them? Moulton 18:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Discussion on Community Review[edit]

If this review is for discussing problems, is there any reason why a blocked user cannot ask for a review here? [1] Or is there a procedure that e must follow? Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 11:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Moulton has been putting notices and comments all over Wikiversity, many of which I and evidently many others see as disruptive - so reverting his edits is not refusing a request for a review, but rather is a strategy for containing Moulton's disruption. We still need to document the run up to Moulton's block, and we still need to address some of Moulton's concerns - but we need to do so without playing 'games', as Moulton likes doing. Cormaggio talk 11:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I take your answer to be (b): there is a procedure that he should follow. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 12:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)}}
It occurs to me that labeling inquiries such as you and I have been making as "disruptive" is highly subjective and evasive of the serious questions I have posed to the custodians who have taken an inexplicably adversarial position. Why are they routinely erasing and ignoring the questions placed before the responsible custodial officials?
Since when is the serious submission of unanswered questions in an academic culture seen as a "game"? This is not a quiz show. We are both asking germane and meaningful questions for which the answers are not yet formulated or articulated. How is that a "disruptive game"?
Moulton 12:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Moulton, We don't live in Utopia. We live in a world where resource is limited. And wikiversity is built by a community of fallable human beings. Maybe one day wikiversity would have matured enough to accommodate your inquiry. In the meantime, whether you believe it or not, your actions have upset many and, no matter whose fault it is, such action can be considered disruptive. And Moulton, as I see it, in many of the situations there were multiple options, from which you chose the ones which most upset your counterparts.Hillgentleman < | ~| > 09:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree that we don't live in a Utopia. We clearly live in a profoundly dysfunctional society. The dysfunctionality which Fyodor Dostoevsky first parodied in Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov appears to have metastasized to our own times and to many cyberspace cultures (including WMF-sponsored communities). Yes, the lessons of history, the discoveries of science, and the parabolic insights of literature have traditionally upset the immature powers that be. The main question to be answered here is to sort out the emotionally mature community leaders from the immature powers that be. The latter will predictably "push the button" every time. And more to the point, what is the learning passage in life that expels the demon of immaturity? Moulton 12:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Living History[edit]

Tonight Emesee and Original Spin re-enacted a fascinating scene from political history.

As you may know, Emesee abruptly erased the comments of Original Spin and summarily blocked him.

The version of the Community Review just before Emesee redacted the history lesson is here.

The subject of the history lesson was the origin of the practice of banning...

I would also Support a ban, although we should probably clarify what we mean by the terms "block" and "ban" in the context of this discussion. --mikeu talk 04:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
This might be a good juncture to point out the earliest known reference to a "ban" in the written law. Oddly enough, the very first law ever set in stone makes reference to a ban. 3768 years ago, Hammurabi of Babylonia (Mesopotamia) set 282 laws into stone. Here are the first three of them:

1. If any one ensnare another, putting a ban upon him, but he can not prove it, then he that ensnared him shall be put to death.

2. If any one bring an accusation against a man, and the accused go to the river and leap into the river, if he sink in the river his accuser shall take possession of his house. But if the river prove that the accused is not guilty, and he escape unhurt, then he who had brought the accusation shall be put to death, while he who leaped into the river shall take possession of the house that had belonged to his accuser.

3. If any one bring an accusation of any crime before the elders, and does not prove what he has charged, he shall, if it be a capital offense charged, be put to death.

The second of Hammurabi's laws is a rather odd one. Perhaps it's the origin of the expression, "Go jump in the lake."
Isn't it a tad ironic that here in cyberspace in 2008, Jimbo is reprising a practice first defined in law by none other than Hammurabi himself? And according to Hammurabi's version, Jimbo has to prove his allegation of incivility to make the ban stick.
Original Spin 04:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Emesee reacted rather precipitously at the above, revising history and harshly applying the Hammurabic Method of Social Regulation to Original Spin.

What do you make of that, Hillgentleman?

Moulton 05:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It is an interesting piece of history. Thanks. I don't know what emesee thinks; you have to ask him. Perhaps he thinks it is not very relevant. Hillgentleman < | ~| > 09:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The Carrollian Chess Game Continues[edit]

As you may know, Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll has the structure of a chess game. In this latest round of the game, it is apparrent that Jimbo is adopting the role of the Red Queen, leaving you playing the role of Alice on his Wikiversity talk page. In the original version by Lewis Carroll, Alice wakes up from her Kafkaesque nightmare by exclaiming to the Red Queen and her mindless sycophants, "You're nothing but a pack of cards. Who cares for you?" — whereupon the pack of cards go postal. It's understandable that Alice could not develop any empathy for the Red Queen or her pack of cards as they were irredeemiably heartless. I confess that I am having similar diffulty developing empathy for Wales and his loyal followers, but for a reason that eludes me. I am baffled and perplexed over this question: What is Jimmy trying to learn at this juncture in the drama? Do you have any thoughts or insights on what Jimmy seeks to learn by his dramatic appearance last week? In the case of Alice and the Red Queen, her coloration was red rather than purple, designating anger rather than royal grace. The Red Queen never "turned purple" and neither do most graceless tyrants of her ilk. But having said that, I don't think Jimmy came into Wikiversity to learn grace (even though you are an admirable role model for that trait). And so I lay the perplexing question on the table: What do you reckon Jimmy is seeking to learn in this passage in the chess game? Moulton 11:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

template problem[edit]

Template:Navigation2 seems to have a problem. Do you see what I mean? --JWSchmidt 14:58, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Mike.lifeguard blocks 45,184 IPs in Eastern Massachusetts[edit]

If my arithmetic is correct, Mike.lifeguard has blocked 45,184 IPs in Eastern Massachusetts, including Verizon DSL customers and the Boston Museum of Science.

How does that practice square with the WMF Mission Statement, which pledges to empower and engage scholars around the world to collect and develop educational content and to disseminate it effectively around the world?

Moulton 21:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Addendum: Ottava Rima blocks billions of IPv6 addresses worldwide[edit]

While ISPs in the US still have a comfortable reserve of IPv4 addresses to dole out, the rest of the world is beginning to assign IPv6 addresses to customers in those locales where the ISPs were not provided with sufficient IPv4 address blocks to meet their burgeoning growth. Customers with IPv6 addresses reach IPv4 destinations (like Wikipedia) via just a few regional gateways that bridge the two networks. IPv6 customers in North America and Europe all reach the Tampa Server Cluster by way of a SixXS Consortium Gateway located in the Netherlands. What this means is that almost all IPv6 users appear to come from a single IPv4 address. That IP address has been blocked for quite some time on Wikipedia. A few days ago, Ottava Rima blocked it on Wikiversity, too. That means that billions and billions of IPv6 addresses (mostly serving Europe and Asia) are blocked from accessing any of the projects hosted on the Tampa cluster. The Encyclopedia that anyone can edit cannot be edited by anyone with an IPv6 originating address. Moulton 12:11, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

No Autonomy[edit]

Can I ask if you have a specific reason for using the magic word directly rather than in an easily accountable way? – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 03:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you can. It is my talk page and I organise it the way I like. But if you really want to know, I don't like redundant templates, and then noindex means noindex, and a "whatlinkshere" is still an index. Thanks for asking. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 03:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Lucky you. I have no such freedom or autonomy to organize my userspace on en:wv. Moulton 20:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I wonder whether you see an issue with this "index" (or indeed Special:Search/noindex) then? While I agree that your userspace is yours to do with as you will (within community norms), I would still like to understand your rationale, since I've never encountered anyone who expressed anything other than full support for using the magic word in an accountable way. The magic word is to stop search engines from indexing certain sensitive pages, and (I think) should be used in a conservative and open way. Using a template increases transparency while maintaining identical functionality. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 18:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Did I just hear a custodian say the magic word, "accountability"? What a concept! Please let me know when the en:wv custodians decide to illustrate that curious practice. Moulton 20:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
A user talk page is not a learning resource and it serves no educational purpose for Google to index it. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 05:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I disagree. A user talk page can contain an insightful dialogue between two scholars leading to a significant breakthrough. A user talk page can also include a reflective analysis, essay, or other piece of creative or artistic literature that signifies a meaningful increment in a learner's cognitive-emotive state. Moulton 05:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

The accelerating pace of corruption on Wikiversity[edit]

Good grief.

The accelerating pace of corrupt practices on Wikiversity is an awesome sight to behold.

Seventy-five years ago, when some particularly repressive and right wing regimes began to take power in Europe, a journalist interviewed Albert Einstein. The journalist asked Einstein if the advent of these right wing governments had slowed the pace of scientific research.

"No," said Einstein, "the pace of scientific research has not slowed in Germany. It's come to a complete halt."

I see the same pattern emerging in Wikiversity, where the arrival of a new cadre of repressive admins has rapidly transformed the demeanor of the site from one of collegial scholarship into one of alarming retrograde reversion to a pre-scientific, pre-enlightenment culture reminiscent of the Inquisition (or worse).

It's a lamentable sight to see, as mean-spirited admins lose their cool, harden their hearts, and introduce a slew of unscrupulous and corrupt practices which undermine and corrode the scholarly demeanor and academic culture that once distinguished Wikiversity as brighter light in the gloomy darkness of the wider wiki wilderness.

Moulton 14:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

In the heat of the fight[edit]

  • Johnny, I now get my gloves off and talk straight. Insults harm the environment deeply and do not contribute anything positive. If you are incapable to communicate to John, please back off and let others do it. If you think talking straight requires insulting others, think again. You should apologise to John, and even more so, to Wikiversity. --Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 01:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Not that I disagree, but the apologies need to start with Cary Bass and Jimbo Wales, along with those shameless raiders from IDCab who put Cary and Jimbo up to their poisonous visits. I count only four academics who did not take a bite of Jimbo's poison apple: JWSchmidt, James Neill, you and me. The rest of the custodians got mighty sick. Erkan even changed his name to Snow White on IRC. It's not clear to me that en:WV can recover from this horrible experience. Alison Cassidy is very close to throwing in the towel, too. It looks to me like WV has been converted into a Drama Engine. Moulton 08:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Translate some pages from English to Vietnamese[edit]

Hi, your request done! If you have a new request, please message me! Wikience 08:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Tmatsu[edit]

Hi, Hillgentleman, thanks for information on User:Tmatsu (talk/contrib). He seems a sockpuppet of Miyazaki, a series of cross-wiki vandal that we Japanese community call "Cheer dance" vandal. Every posting was a copyvio. And he seems to impersonate wikipedia:ja:User:Tmatsu. Thanks. --Kanjy 13:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

question[edit]

hello, I can't make pages. what's the problem? I want to do the Hungarian Wikversity, but I can't, because I can't make the pages. please help me! --Mdonci 14:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

hy, Thanks for your help! bye. --Mdonci 15:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

你好[edit]

你好,在下將會長期地活躍於中文Wikiversity的建校工作。希望閣下與本人合作以儘快建立中文Wikiversity,另外在下發起了Wikiversity中文名稱投票請閣下前往投票。謝謝。Skjackey tse 09:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

歡迎!你好。思考過後,我認為任一名稱都可以。<Hillgentleman| ~ | > 01:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

你好[edit]

你好,我帮忙总结了一下建校计划,可以在建院首頁查看。希望阁下能够提一些修改意见。

另外我认为现在最重要的问题就是建立起几个基本的方针,才能使建校工作顺利的进展下去。我也列举了几个,不知是否还有其他特别紧急的方针。

如果阁下有空,欢迎来我的对话页提出讨论意见。--人神之间摆哈龙门阵 16:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

  • 呵呵,阁下可能不知道中文维基现在的情况,如果没有一个大家都认同的方针,我怕这个名字选出来都会有人反对呢。不过但愿我是多虑了吧。阁下所说的肉与骨同样重要这一点我很认同,所以我准备下个月起开始编辑或翻译一些比较基本课程过来,不过我还是认为起码得把一些基本的结构搭建好了,才能吸引其他人过来。--人神之间摆哈龙门阵 10:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

re:Custodian for category:ZH pages[edit]

Hi, actually I was quite interesting in this project. To be a custodian is a good idea. So where shall I apply for custodian?--人神之间摆哈龙门阵 06:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Since Beta is a multilingual project, we usually ask people speaking your own language as well as other Beta Wikiversians to comment on candidacies. You can set up a page for the discussion, e.g. Wikiversity:申請成為中文清潔員 or 中文 Wikiversity 清理員候選者, and leave a note at Babel asking everyone to join the discussion. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 02:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

If I can, yesSkjackey tse 10:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome to set up the discussion. And, when you have an idea, create some education contents as well! <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 11:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply! I will create some education contents. Hmm, may be something about copyright.Skjackey tse 13:07, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Moulton activity on the project[edit]

Hi, I would like to inform you, that I found Moulton activity on the project unperspective. He is offending people and not working on the targets of this project. I think he is making here a net of blogs and disscusion pools which are far away from the aims of this project. Am I wrong?--Juan 23:07, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Beta is for inter-varsity sharing and coordination, policy discussion and for incubation. His writings do not quite belong to any of the above. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 02:33, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I have just noted, he is blocked on all project (noticed on IRC), but I can see IP adresses (and maybe sockpopputs still feed his ideas. --Juan 07:32, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

How the Grinch stole Christmas[edit]

The above exchange confirms that there was a conspiracy on #wikiversity-en IRC channel where Mike Ingram had blocked JWSchmidt and myself, to effectuate a wide-sweeping general pogrom against all ideas being discussed on my pages. The above exchange confirms the "beyond scope" meme that Jimbo introjected into Wikiversity on 12 Dec 2008 when he summarily (and inexplicably) blanked my user space pages there. —Moulton 08:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Grounds for Bill of Attainder[edit]

A problem we have now is that the grounds for banning someone from wikiversity are unclear. For example, the basic argument for the proposal User:Moulton being banned from editing is that he kept revealing the real-life names of wikimedians, leading to a few or half a dozen of oversights. (By the way, this may not be the only reason why some people want him banned from editing.) Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 13:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

It's true that some of my critics alleged I had revealed real life names of Wikimedians. In the case singled out by Jimbo Wales, the allegation was trivially disproven. In other cases, I had addressed peer scholars by their real names (just as they had reciprocally addressed me by my real name), but I did not reveal their names, as they had previously voluntarily revealed their names on-wiki or in wiki-related public discussions elsewhere on the Internet. Indeed, in his current Community Review, SB_Johnny initially titled it "Status of Barry Kort" rather than "Status of User:Moulton" thereby demonstrating how blithely and commonplace was the practice of addressing peer scholars by their real name. Indeed, the first Wikipedians to publish on-wiki a concordance associating my real name to my Wiki avatar name was none other than FeloniousMonk. Shortly after he did that, Dave Souza followed suit and did the same thing. Both of them were WP Admins, and both were senior leaders of IDCab. Similarly, KillerChihuahua used my real name last week when commenting in the Community Review that SB_Johnny started. Unrelated to my case, Krimpet published (on-wiki) the real name, address, phone number, and mother's name of a 19-year old user who had been blocked for crude and juvenile vandalism. When it was pointed out (six weeks later) that this was a double standard, Krimpet abruptly resigned her Adminship, but she was never sanctioned, blocked, or banned for it. She and other well-respected Admins (notably Alison) continue to publish or link to the same information off-wiki. Such double standards are the backdrop against which the same Admins suggest it's a hanging offense in my case. As to the real reason some want me eliminated, my own theory is that I am exposing unethical, anachronistic, and corrupt practices that are anathema to an authentic and collegial learning community. It is customary for those being so exposed to seek to eliminate the meddlesome whistleblower.—Moulton 13:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Naming convention[edit]

Hello! I have a question - should I paste "Wn/ka/...' (or smth. like this) before the name of the article like in Incubator? Or a Category is enough ? George

Hello, George! You can put the pages in category:KA. We use a simple and straightforward naming convention on Beta, which (we hope) would boost participation. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 03:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer! Sorry for I am too late, i haven't looked at your duscussion page. Thanks again.

I see. You are not late, and thanks for your note.<Hillgentleman| ~ | > 02:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Stats about incubation wikiversities[edit]

I read your idea, and I make this. What do you think about this ?
Contributions are read with the Pathoschild's tool ls-testanalysis and translation status by betawiki's tool. Crochet.david 10:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Very good! <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 13:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Colloquium style report[edit]

That sounds like a great idea. I'll start something in my userspace. --mikeu talk 16:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Great! Best, <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 07:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

User rename[edit]

Hi, I would like to ask you, if you can rename me from Juan to Juandev. Juandev is a username I am using on en and I would like to use this name broad within wikiversities now. Now with automatic SUL it is much difficult to use multiple useraccounts/usernames on different projects. Thank you very much for your time.--Juan 13:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Question about MediaWiki:Titlewhitelist[edit]

It has come to my attention that the Title blacklist at the Wikimedia meta wiki contains this code: "User(?: talk)?:(‎?:Barsoom Tork|Moulton).* <casesensitive|autoconfirmed|noedit> #Moulton continues to sock, creating spam pages in his userspace on multiple wikis". I do not understand what that code does, but apparently it interferes with Moulton's ability to edit normally at this website. As you may know, I invited Moulton to come to this website and help develop the Wikiversity research guidelines. I find Mike.lifeguard's excuses for blacklisting Moulton to be off target. Moulton uses alternative accounts for educational reasons and I find the label "spam pages" to be offensive doublespeak that apparently refers to Moulton's habit of linking to external websites that contain an argument he wishes to interject into a discussion without having to repeat, in wiki, the entire argument. Thus, Mike.lifeguard's stated reasons for black listing Moulton are references to Moulton's methods of participation at Wikiversity that I feel clearly support the project's mission. Is there something we can add to MediaWiki:Titlewhitelist that will allow Moulton to freely edit at betawikiversity? --JWSchmidt 16:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

"the global block" <-- can you explain what this means. I thought global blocks were for IP addresses, not user accounts. --JWSchmidt 14:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps you are right. I don't know - right now I am confused. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 00:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Jimbo evidently asked one of his developers to disable the User:Moulton account login across all Wikis. This took place on 12 Dec 2008, and notice of it was evidently circulated back-channel to Stewards. But the method appears to be one that is unfamiliar, even to seasoned Wikipedians. When I try to log in as User:Moulton, it says my password is incorrect and the error page provides the standard opportunity to request a new password. If I request a new password, a new "temporary password" arrives in E-Mail. When I log in with the new temporary password, the next screen requires me to replace the temporary password with a new permanent one. When I fill in the new password form, I am back into mainspace, but I am not logged in. This is not the same as being blocked, which still allows a read-only login (and thus access to a personal watchlist, etc). Since I cannot log in at all, I have no watchlist. Independently, on 24 Dec 2008, Mike Ingram inserted that above-cited entry into the MediaWiki Global Title Blacklist. The lieutenants who effectuated Jimbo's dictats include Cary Bass (User:Bastique), Mike Ingram (User:Mike.lifeguard), User:Spacebirdy, User:Guillom, and Mike Umbricht (User:Mu301). Mike Ingram is also the one who blocked half a million IPv4 addresses on #wikiversity-en and billions of IPv6 addresses as well. —Moulton 07:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Maybe what is being used is a "lock", see Locked global account]. I tried looking through the past proposals for locks and saw no mention of Moulton in the edit summaries. --JWSchmidt 16:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

User rename 2[edit]

So I am here back. During the last couple of days other collegues were talking to me, that they relly dont like I am using a multiple accounts. So let me go and have just one. Now I would like to ask you, if you can rename me from Juan to User:Juan de Vojníkov. It is an account which has the highest contributions. I will ask for this rename also on other projects. If there are some contribs from this account, feel free to rename it. Thanks.--Juan 15:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

獨立[edit]

User:Crochet.david email:

When i look this page :
http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/States_of_Wikiversities
I think that the ZH project can be present to the meta language subcommitee.
What do you think about ?
--
This e-mail was sent by Crochet.david to Skjackey tse by the "Email user" function at Wikiversity.
What do you think about ?Skjackey tse 11:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
It could be more active, but since there is substantial interest, we may give it a try. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 01:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Usurpation and renames[edit]

Hi. I've two accounts here: Luckas13 and Luckas Blade. You can see on other projects like ptwikipedia, ptwiktionary and meta that Luckas13 was renamed to Luckas Blade. What I want that you do here:

  • Rename Luckas13 to another username (on Incubator was "Renameduser17", but I ask to rename to a different username from the others used on the wikis that this was done)
  • Rename Luckas Blade to Luckas13
  • Rename Luckas13 to Luckas Blade

These last two seems to be nonsense, but you have to do it, because doing this Luckas13 will be "transformed" in Luckas Blade and it will stay right. This was done on 4 projects, like Incubator and on ptwikinews, ptwikiquote and Betawiki too. It's explained. --Luckas Blade 16:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I can do it, but why couldn't you simply redirect your userpages like user:Luckas13 to user:Luckas Blade and so on? That would be much easier for you across wikis. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
This was done on 4 projects. I had to delete my global account to do this (what is affecting my normal work), and if it was done on 4 projects, it's totally valid. It's easy and I'm needing it so much. --Luckas Blade 15:41, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Would you please explain to us why you need it so much? How is it different from simply creating redirects? You may send me an email if there is any privacy issue. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 04:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

rename[edit]

Hello Hillgentleman, please can You rename this account to something else, it is blocking the sul account of the true user and it has no edits here, apparently he was not able to unify it to his accounts, and a rename would solve the issue and should be uncontroversial since there are 0 contribs 0 log entries (You might want to uncheck to move the userpages because they seem fine, created by someone else), many thanks in advance, best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 18:39, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank You for Your note. I am going to check it now. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 04:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

rename[edit]

@betaWikiversity,thanksSkjackey tse 14:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

All done. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 16:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletereason[edit]

I'm expanding MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown whenever I delete a page. I'll mark Talk:Portal:Matemática e Estatística/Matemática Básica to delete, a talk page without a page. I'm not very good in english, how can I say this ? "Talk of a deleted page" ? But if the page never existed ? "Talk of a blank page" ? maybe "Talk page of an unused page" ? Rjclaudio 12:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

In pt.wikipedia we usually delete talk pages of redirect pages. If its redirect, delete, if has content, copy+paste to the other talk page. Can we do the same here ? Rjclaudio 13:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Page to be translated & Another page to be translated[edit]

This page was created by you : "page from testwp, experimental multilingual coordination technique". What are the results of the experiment ? The page is still needed ? Rjclaudio 13:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Protect archives[edit]

Can I protect archives to adm-only / infinity ? Like Wikiversity:Announcements/En/archive/20080112 ? These type shouldnt be edited anyway. Rjclaudio 15:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I think so... <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 13:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Username change request[edit]

Hello. I ask you to rename my account to Visible Light Thank you!Visible Light 14:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

All right let me check. I 'll get back to you as soon as possible. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 16:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
done.<Hillgentleman| ~ | >

Jayvdb global rename[edit]

Hi Hillgentleman, could you please rename my account to "John Vandenberg". see meta:User_talk:John_Vandenberg#global_rename_confirmation. Thank you, --John Vandenberg 12:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

done <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 18:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


en:Conway's Game of Life[edit]

I copied it on my wiki + it even works :-) Thx for the effort. ----Erkan Yilmaz 15:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

My Contributions[edit]

Dear Hillgentleman,

I placed some materials here for the sake of development into learning resources, in the hopes that suitable collaborators and learners might be found in the neighborhood. But there already seems to be some kind of problem. I will not be working on these materials at EN Wikipedia or EN Wikiversity, and I will not have time to engage in bureaucratic monkey-business. If you do not think that it will be possible for me to develop these materials here, or to go unhindered long enough to attract collaborators and learners, then please delete them at your earliest convenience. Sincerely yours, JonAwbrey 21:54, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, there is very little difference between en and beta wikiversity except for the type of languages used. If you want to keep it without having it moved, you could just remove the export proposal. I wont mind. Ottava Rima 22:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Done. Please continue your valuable contributions and thanks a lot. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 22:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! JonAwbrey 06:08, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Letter to the Board[edit]

I signed the letter, but I'm not sure if I signed it in the right place, as all the subpaging and transcluding on EN Wikiversity is very confusing to me. Jon Awbrey 22:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

/* Polish Wikiversity */[edit]

What's wrong with us that we haven't our free Wikiversity? Wandal (strona|dyskusja) 12:21, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

You guys are welcome to start one!  :-) <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 06:52, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't know, what you mean. We are trying to do, but more easily we would feel to gather people together if we would have own Wikiversity or at least 1 administrator on Beta. 85.202.39.49 14:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Sure. You need 10 active participants to start an independent domain (pl.wikipedia.org) and the Polish Wikiversiters are welcome to elect a custodian on Beta. Do you know any suitable candidate? <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 14:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
What a question. Sure, that I know! How could you think differently? It's me. And we've got some people:
and Wandal (strona|dyskusja) 19:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Please then start a discussion to elect a custodian. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 05:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
OK, but where I can start it? Wandal (strona|dyskusja) 11:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Use the babel to this.Crochet.david 17:10, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
OK, thank you. I'll do it.

Re: Babel[edit]

Hej, two days ago I talked on IRC with Juan de Vojníkov, if you want know details ask him or join today about 20:00 UTC on IRC channel #wikiversity. Now I'm a bit busy... Regards, Leinad 11:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Translation[edit]

Do you understand what this page is about? --JWSchmidt 13:17, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

International Math Olympiad[edit]

I notice that your name is listed among the Participants of the Mathematics Olympiad.

Do you, by any chance know Professor Walter Mientka who chaired the International Math Olympiad for a number of years?

Do you, by any chance, know Reid Barton, who took the Gold Medal four times during Professor Mientka's tenure at the Olympiad?

Moulton 17:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Abd Lomax[edit]

  • I guess has wants cut infinite feed-back loop of your learning activities, for wikiversity has limited manpower. <Hillgentleman| ~ | 書> 08:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

HG, can you repair the garbled syntax in the above remark. I can't quite make out what you meant to write. —Moulton 19:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Rename user account[edit]

Hi!

Could you or JWSchmidt rename my user account, as requested on Metawiki? Helder 15:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

  • hi! I'll get to it asap - if John doesn't beat me to it. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 15:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Hi! I tried - and i got a response: "The user helder.wiki already exists." I presume that's your unified login. Shall I move that to another name and then move heldergeovane to helder.wiki? <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 16:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
      • Yes. It is mine. Could you move it as you said? (this was also needed on MetaWiki). Helder 17:35, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Could you also delete this, this and this subpages? Helder 02:23, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Sitenotice bubble...[edit]

Needs a period at the end of the first line, and the second line should be "We are a multilingual site and there is lots of work to do." ;-). SB Johnny 20:12, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Darklama has since fixed it. Thanks. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 07:02, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the unblock. --JWSchmidt 00:21, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Why does SB Johnny have the ability to impose bans in the #wikiversity chat channel? --JWSchmidt 11:04, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I have no idea. You should ask him. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 11:27, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
someone made him op
-ChanServ- Entry Nickname/Host          Flags
-ChanServ- ----- ---------------------- -----
-ChanServ- 1     elian                  +votiA (op)
-ChanServ- 2     Kurt_Jansson           +votiA (op)
-ChanServ- 3     DaBPunkt               +votsriRfAF
-ChanServ- 4     sebmol                 +votiA (op)
-ChanServ- 5     guillom                +votiA (op)
-ChanServ- 6     seanw                  +f
-ChanServ- 7     Bastique               +vVoOtsriRfA
-ChanServ- 8     SB_Johnny              +votifAF
-ChanServ- 9     darkcode               +votiA (op)
-ChanServ- 10    Erkan_Yilmaz           +votiA (op)
-ChanServ- 11    atglenn                +votiA (op)
-ChanServ- 12    mikeu                  +votifAF
-ChanServ- 13    jayvdb                 +votiA (op)
-ChanServ- 14    draicone               +o
-ChanServ- ----- ---------------------- -----
-ChanServ- End of #wikiversity FLAGS listing.

Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 11:42, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Ask for usurpation[edit]

Hello, I would like to ask you, if you can usurp my account Juandev and move my contributions from user:Juan de Vojníkov to user:Juandev. The reason is, that it is so personal and it is internationaly easier. Thx--Juan de Vojníkov 09:03, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Ya.--Juandev 09:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Problems with scripts[edit]

Hey, I am using monobook skin and my buttons doesnt work in here. So I am wondering, why this doesnt work in here?! I can add a signature here via bottom.--Juan de Vojníkov 09:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

  • I am not sure, but every site has its own set of scripts (css/js). What do you want to make? <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 21:40, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I want to deploy here a signature via monobook bottom. --Juan de Vojníkov 09:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

您好,請多指教[edit]

Wikiversity:討論會有新的意見徵求您的想法,並且也想了解學院的運作與規則。--安可 13:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Discuss the notice newly[edit]

beta.wikiversity have new discuss the notice,please see to Wikiversity:Requests_for_import.--安可 06:06, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

原創研究[edit]

您好,近來維基百科上凡是遇到涉及原創研究的刪除討論,都會有人要求轉移到維基學院。我不是很清楚這裡對原創研究的要求是什麽。例如,w:zh:Ban在我看來不值得保留,但是很多人提出要求移動到wikiversity。這邊對於這樣的內容是否會接受呢?若不會接受,就可直接刪除了。只是目前有用戶甚至列出上百個由於原創研究而刪除的頁面,要求移動到維基學院。我實在不知道這些頁面是否能夠符合這裡的要求。--Bencmq 13:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

missing bureaucrat noticeboard on this wiki[edit]

Hi. You are listed as a bureaucrat on this wiki, but so is at least one other person. To contact a bureaucrat, in order to usurp accounts and similar, users have to send duplicate messages, rather than post at a single place. Please create a bureaucrat noticeboard of some sort and list it at meta:Index of pages where renaming can be requested. If it already exists, please list it there! Thank you. --Joy-temporary 11:28, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. We have the one page WV:RCA for all custodial requests. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 15:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
It was make here. Crochet.david 15:34, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

the request on Wikiversity:Requests_for_import[edit]

Hello. We have raised the captioned request since August 2011. May I have your attention on it.--J.Wong 05:45, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I have leaved you a new message on Wikiversity:Requests_for_import. Thank you.--J.Wong 03:29, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

usurp User:Joy[edit]

Hi again. Over two weeks ago, you asked that user to relinquish the username. Has there been any response that I'm not seeing? If not, can we proceed with usurpation please? :) --Joy-temporary 23:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

No problems. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 16:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

do you have a copy of this NK page?[edit]

See here please. Thank you, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 01:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: Watsup[edit]

Are these thoughts by the participants?

Probably I'd first start with a experiment:

  1. letting people just try do their wishes/courses/whatever right now
  2. collect feedback
  3. try to improve (depending on wish/resource):
    1. the weak areas
    2. OR: improve the strong areas

Our thoughts are insider-thoughts as experienced wiki(versity) users, others may act or wish different, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 19:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

video links: integrated has advantages, but also disadvantages, e.g. I'm currently on low-bandwith: so just a link is ideal for me, so I can load it when I want, also no danger that another site gets my IP or so
homework: I guess could be email feature used, which though: is text only, but it could be perhaps a link to somewhere else, good thing would be: if it is public that others also can see it (and if someone peaks it's his own disadvantage for losing a learning opportunity)
exams: well, those could be in normal style or more timely, e.g. either questions and people need to answer them or: via irc/video session so one can see immediate feedback
though probs with i sit really the user answering remain, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 20:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
tbh I am currently interested in something with a live-mode
e.g. a stream of dents/tweets where one can get new inputs, ideas -> e.g. also postable into an IRC channel which already exist
and then sharing/commenting on those ideas/thoughts (e.g. copy+paste irc log)
probably all would be not so much "content" at begin, but it could help others to start somewhere or find some people to interact
on the other hand: such things exist already in form of micro-blogging platforms, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 20:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Username rename request: White Cat -> とある白い猫[edit]

I'd like to request a username rename per SUL. -- Cat chi? 13:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Done: とある白い猫 -> とある白い猫1 & White Cat -> とある白い猫 <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 12:28, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

GedawyBot[edit]

Hello. Would you please approve this request? Regards.--M.Gedawy 05:41, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Question about custodianship[edit]

Hello, good to see you :) I have a question about volunteering custodian. How do I become an custodian? I participate in BETA Wikiversity as Korean editor. If you want to check it, please visit here. Although I have humble edit count, I think that no custodian who can speak Korean exists in BETA Wikiversity. In addition, Category:KO has many resource and pages which need deletion, including unused redirect. If you want more information, please leave message here. Thanks you for your service. --Sotiale (talk) 10:39, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

+ Oh, I glad to meet you. I'm so sorry, I thought you are inactive. Please check here:Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Sotiale. Can I request custodianship? :) --Sotiale (Talk·Contribs) 06:53, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your considerate service. Have a good time :) --Sotiale (Talk·Contribs) 07:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

My present :)[edit]




I don't know you like such thing, I made userbox. It's for you. But, You don't misunderstand me! I don't like hierarchy.. If you do not want it, I'm sorry. Have a good time :) --Sotiale (Talk·Contribs) 14:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I hope it makes it easier for people to find help. Cheers. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 02:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I request renaming my following accounts:

  • محمد الجداوي → Avocato
  • GedawyBot → AvocatoBot
  • Confirmation link: [3]
  • Reason: Privacy reasons

Please, delete all my userpages and talk pages of these accounts before renaming .Thanks in advance.--M.Gedawy 06:04, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Request of 'Crat right for David[edit]

Hello, Hillgentleman. Do you know David's crat request? I think that this request is done, during 1 months. If you connect at here, please judge consensus as only active bureaucrat(Sebmol is inactive here, I think). Thank you so much! Regards, Sotiale (talk) 06:43, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Please review my custodianship request[edit]

Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Shujenchang

It is over 7 days, and seems consensus reached. Pls review it, thx! --Shujen Chang (張樹人) Talk/留言 Email/電郵 19:54, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks! Welcome to Wikiversity.<Hillgentleman| ~ | > 01:40, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

How to add Chinese Wikipedia to Special:Import?[edit]

There's always some valuable original researches listed on Deletion review of Chinese Wikipedia, and many of them are useful, so I want to import them to Wikiversity. However, I found that there's no Chinese Wikipedia on the cross-wiki import list, so how to add it to the list? Thanks. --Shujen Chang (張樹人) Talk/留言 Email/電郵 18:06, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

It is technical things, therefore you should request it to bugzilla. As you know, Bugzilla request needs consensus about related things. --Sotiale (talk) 02:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I'll make a vote for the consensus, and then report to bugzilla if consensus reaches. --Shujen Chang (張樹人) Talk/留言 Email/電郵 04:47, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Inactive bot on Chinese Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Hillgentleman,

I noticed that your bot User:R. Hillgentleman on zh.wikipedia has been inactive for more than a year. Do you still need it?

If you wish to keep its bot flag, please let me know. If you no longer need it, or there is no reply in a month, the bot flag will be removed by local bureaucrat.

Regards, --Bencmq (talk) 13:30, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Hillgentleman, I have removed your bot flag. Thank you very much for your past contribution. --Bencmq (talk) 17:15, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Forced user renames coming soon for SUL[edit]

Hi, sorry for writing in English. I'm writing to ask you, as a bureaucrat of this wiki, to translate and review the notification that will be sent to all users, also on this wiki, who will be forced to change their user name on May 27 and will probably need your help with renames. You may also want to help with the pages m:Rename practices and m:Global rename policy. Thank you, Nemo 12:55, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Nemo. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 06:39, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Custodian for category:ZH pages[edit]

Hi,I was quite interesting in this project.So may I apply for custodian? --安可 (talk) 15:45, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

申請成為中文清潔員[edit]

自薦成為中文清潔員,現在主要進行分類工作,並持續更新首頁隨機動態等版面。請參見此申請頁面。--安可 (talk) 10:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

申請做中文清潔員[edit]

我系喺安可嘅支持之下申請呢個權限嘅,我絕對認爲我可以勝任,我已經有很充足嘅經驗,我對我自己有很大嘅信心。另外,我喺過去嘅維基年會中都同唔少人溝通左一下,佢地好大部分都很支持我呢次嘅申請,所以我懇請你賦予我呢個權利,被我可以進一步減輕管理員同埋其他巡查員沉重嘅負擔。--Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 08:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
我是在安可的支持底下申請這個權限的,我絕對認爲我能夠勝任,我已經有很充足的經驗,我對我自己有很大的信心。另外,我在過去的維基年會中也跟不少人溝通了一下,他們很大部分都很支持我這一次的申請,我懇請管理員們賦予我這個權利,讓我能夠進一步減輕管理員以及其他巡查員沉重的負擔。--Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 08:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I am requesting for this right with 安可's support, I trust that I surely have enough of experience. Also, in the previous Wikimania, I talked with lots of people, most of them also support me for this request. I hope that the administrators may really give me this right. I hope that zh-wikiversity will leave beta stage earlier. Thank you.--Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 08:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

呢个系嘅申请页面Wikiversity:Candidates_for_Custodianship/Gabrielchihonglee2--Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 08:41, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Sotiale bureaucrat candidacy[edit]

Copy of comment on User talk:Crochet.david.[4]

This RfB has been open for a very long time and has no opposition. I requested action at meta and received a response that they will not act because you are active.[5] Given that your initial support was confirmed with unanimous support, please do close this RfB. I will also notify Hillgentleman of this request. Thanks. --Abd (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Procedurally, it is better if you close. However, if Crochet.david gets to it first, would you mind commenting on the action on the RfB page? Wikiversity:Candidates for Bureaucrats/Sotiale. Thanks. --Abd (talk) 14:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your notification. <Hillgentleman| ~ | > 07:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users[edit]

Dear Hillgentleman,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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Upload files, Upload Wizard?[edit]

Wikimedia Commons logo

Hello! Sorry for writing in English. As you're an administrator here, please check the message I left on MediaWiki talk:Licenses and the village pump. Thanks, Nemo 19:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Your advanced permissions on beta.wikiversity[edit]

Dear user,

I hope that this message finds you well.

A policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, etc.) was adopted by community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing activity on wikis with no inactivity policy.

You meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no log actions for 2 years) on the wiki listed above. Since that wiki does not have its own rights review process, the global one applies.

If you want to keep your rights, you should inform the community of the wiki about the fact that the stewards have sent you this information about your inactivity. If the community has a discussion about it and then wants you to keep your rights, please contact the stewards at m:Stewards' noticeboard, and link to the discussion of the local community, where they express their wish to continue to maintain the rights.

If you wish to resign your rights, you can reply here or request removal of your rights on Meta.

If there is no response at all after approximately one month, stewards will proceed to remove your administrator and/or bureaucrat rights. In ambiguous cases, stewards will evaluate the responses and will refer a decision back to the local community for their comment and review. If you have any questions, please contact the stewards.

Best regards, --MarcoAurelio (talk) 12:17, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Removed. Matiia (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Having trouble with global rename[edit]

Hi, HG, I have come back to do some work after a long time away and having trouble with all the different names I've been assigned. Things are much more complicated here now. Can you help me recover my original name across all projects, except ones where I may be blocked? My real name has always been "Jon Awbrey" (or maybe "JonAwbrey" on some projects). TIA, JonAwbrey (talk) 13:38, 16 May 2017 (UTC)